Friday, January 1, 2016

About Will Williams

I just want to say a few words about Will Williams in light of a controversy that has arisen in the past few weeks. The controversy is that Will Williams is alleged to have laid hands in a hostile way on Garland DeCourcy, an employee of the National Alliance, of which Will is the chairman. I read that he was charged with misdemeanor battery for this, but that he has acquired an attorney and is fighting it.

I do not know anything about this alleged altercation beyond the police-documents that have been published online. There is no statement in those documents that the plaintiff incurred any physical injury. If there were bruises, they would have been invisible by the time of the report on the incident, because the documents indicate that Garland DeCourcy waited two months (from 30 September 2015 until 2 December 2015) to file a complaint.

I can only say that in my experience it is not typical of Will to do something like that. I would say that he has an aggressive and audacious personality, but I have never known him to be violent. I cannot say that he never would, but in 22 years I have neither seen nor heard about him doing anything violent toward anybody.

There is a story from the last of Ben Klassen's memoirs, Trials, Tribulations, and Triumphs (1993), that alleges that there were violent altercations between Will Williams and his girlfriend Lucinda Coleman during the time when they both worked for him in the late 1980s. This story has been cherished by certain people that have made a hobby out of attacking Will.

I had a chance to talk to Lucinda several years ago, and, according to her, Klassen's account of the nature of the relationship between her and Will is very inaccurate and permeated with negative bias.

Klassen makes this claim: "In one fight, Will had kicked Cindy around with his hob-nailed army boots, and when she tried to protect her behind with her hand, he kicked her so hard he broke one of the metacarpus bones in her right hand."

According to Lucinda, there was no fight, only horseplay between herself and Will, wherein her hand was accidentally injured. Will kicked her in the butt (not hard enough to harm her butt) but because she put her hand in the way, a bone was broken.

Klassen also makes much of the fact that Will slept by himself, apart from Cindy. Klassen took it as an indication of discord between them, but I think it most likely has to do with PTSD from the Vietnam War, which commonly includes sleep-disturbances that can be troubling for someone else trying to sleep in the same room.

In any case, Cindy indicated to me that Will was not physically abusive to her.

It is evident from the rest of Klassen's last book that he had a very sour outlook in general at that stage of his life. After all, it was only a short time later that he killed himself. It is not hard to believe that his perception of what happened between Will and Cindy was distorted.

All these years later Will and Cindy are still on good terms.

I can also say that Will seems to get on very well with his current wife, with whom he has been married, I am not sure how long, but more than a decade. I had a chance to observe this when I visited in 2012. It was apparent to me that Will makes efforts to accommodate her and to keep her happy, as a man normally does in a healthy, loving relationship.

In the past I did not consider Klassen's "Will and Cindy" story very worthy of discussion, but it seems important to dispel it now because some people are bringing the allegation from 1988 to bear on the current misdemeanor battery charge and saying that together they imply a pattern of violence toward women. Regardless of how the present accusation may turn out, there does not seem to be any basis for claiming such a pattern, because, in addition to the huge time-interval between the two allegations, the woman who was supposed to be the victim of violence in 1988 says that it did not happen.


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  1. Thanks for this, Hadding. How much do I owe you? :o)

    Klassen resented that a good number of his best Creators followed me over to the National Alliance in 1992-93, just before he published that last official autobiography, then killed himself. He thought he was "setting the record straight," himself, but it doesn't work that way. If you want to smear someone it helps if you outlive them so they can't refute. Cindy and I know what happened. If Harold Covington, Garland Corse, SPLC, NARRGs (National alliance Reform & Restoration Group) and others want to trot out Klassen's version of my employment with him and of our marriage, then your "About Williams" should be presented as balance -- or the anonymous, "investigative" curiosity-seekers can simply contact the couple, the accused "horrible wife-beater" and his victim. We're both accessible.

    In Garland Corse's Petition for Personal Safety Order (from me) she wrote of "published accounts of horrible abuse of [my] 1st wife & 2nd wife," in her lame attempt to establish for the court a pattern of alleged woman-beating by me. Corse's petition was rejected by the judge, outright, at the 12/21/15 hearing. Her accusations were not believable.

    No one has ever "published" anything about me abusing my second wife, Albina, except my accuser, Garland Corse. She has emailed long, elaborate accounts, at least twice, to National Alliance members of my supposed abuse of Albina, including how one of her friends once rescued Albina from me, taking her to a woman's shelter for protection. There are those words again from the injured innocent: abuse and protection. She was way too much personal experience with abuse, then protection from it.

    So, Hadding, when I showed those alleged accounts of my supposed abuse of Albina to our mutual friend and long time WV staffer, who happened to live and work on the mountain the entire time Albina and I lived together there, he said "What!?!? It never happened." Published accounts. Pffft!

    Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

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    1. The marriage with Albina was a mistake; it seemed to get off to a bad start and went downhill from there, which is why it didn't last long. Somebody may have taken her to a "shelter" when she ran off and left you. But it doesn't mean that you were beating her. I am surprised if anybody is saying that.

      I am going to reveal a secret now. Albina contacted me after she left you, and she talked about you. She had a lot of complaints (which is de rigueur with most breakups) but she never said that you physically harmed her.

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  2. The marriage to Albina was not a mistake for her. She and her daughter escaped Russia [read: rescued by me] in the turmoil of 1992, soon after the breakup of the Soviet Union. She got her green card and everything else she needed, then they went to live with her Russian friends in Florida. That was her plan. I enjoyed the adventurous journey with my first beautiful Russian wife. It wasn't meant to last.

    There was no shelter, Hadding. Don't be taken in by Corse's fibs any more than you would believe HAC's.

    Albina left WV while I was on a tour of the West coast organizing Local Units for the Alliance. She had been planning her getaway ever since I took her down to Orlando while I was organizing that and the Tampa Local Units. We stayed with some of her Russian friends there, the same friends she returned to live with when she left WV. She took my truck (that I'd taught her to drive to get licensed) and left it at a train station. Left me a note, "You're a good man, but I have had enough." Said she was returning to Russia. It was not unexpected. I had about "had enough" myself by then. After two years of hard work on the mountain and another busted marriage I returned to NC as the Alliance's first Regional Coordinator. Dr. Pierce named Erich Gliebe Regional Coordinator for Ohio at the same time so he wouldn't feel slighted.

    My point was that I never abused either my 1st or 2nd wives, "horribly," or otherwise, as Garland Corse has claimed per se in her court documents, trying to make her case that I'm a long time woman-beater. That's just focusing on the one lie about Cindy and Albina. Thanks for your helpful account about Cindy and your observations about my current wife, Lana. She's a keeper. Happy wife, happy life. :o)



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    1. Okay. You are right that Albina went to live with her Russian friends in Florida.

      I don't presume to know all the details about everything that happened. I am just saying what I know.

      I know that Albina had no complaint of being physically harmed. I know it because I asked her.

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  3. The pattern of abuse was recent from RD being fired with "butt hurt" to the censorship and banning of honest critics of it and to the recent incidents with MO and GD. Those BK allegations are not relevant whatsoever Hadding.

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    1. Mr. "Unknown," you make some strange assertions.

      First, I have no idea who "RD," "MO," and "GD" are. I have no part in whatever dispute is going on with the National Alliance and I do not know these people by their initials, nor do I know what complaints they may have against Will William, nor do I know what the merits of their complaints may be. I have avoided expressing any opinion about any of that.

      I wrote this article about Ben Klassen's "Will and Cindy" story because it WAS BEING DISCUSSED. I saw this during a VERY brief perusal of the relevant thread on VNN Forum.

      The matter may seem irrelevant to YOU, but other people have been discussing it.

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    8. Well I don't know why you are nipping at my heels here. You are not disputing anything that I have written. You just claim that what I have said is not relevant. Okay, if it is not relevant then why does it bother you?

      You want me to tell some "Whole Truth" but I don't have any "Whole Truth" to tell, because I have not been involved at all in the NA under Will Williams. I assume that the conflicting claims in that situation will be sorted out in court.

      I just know that certain claims from the past that have been invoked to shape the interpretation of that situation are false.

      If that doesn't affect anything then you shouldn't be bothered by it.

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    9. It bothers me because it is only a red herring and straw man logical fallacy and distraction.

      OK. Agreed. We will all see soon enough. But,
      I do and will be patient.

      It is just a distraction from what is relevant.
      The whole truth of Wills own unwise decisions
      and his unwillingness to be accountable for it

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    10. I agree that it's a red herring -- that being in fact my point here -- but you shouldn't be complaining to me about that.

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    11. Indeed-good-but that's not what's really all relevant.
      See this Hadding:
      http://www.wvgazettemail.com/article/20151222/GZ01/151229852

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    12. I read that before. I have not claimed that Will Williams did nothing wrong. I was not there and I do not know. The court can sort it out.

      I will say, however, that I don't believe for a minute that Garland DeCourcy is really afraid of Will Williams. I reached the firm conviction that she was not afraid of him when I noticed in the police-documents that she had waited TWO MONTHS to file a complaint, evidently holding a grudge that whole time.

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    13. Hadding January 21, 2016 at 2:46 PM
      I read that before. I have not claimed that Will Williams did nothing wrong. I was not there and I do not know. The court can sort it out.

      I will say, however, that I don't believe for a minute that Garland DeCourcy is really afraid of Will Williams. I reached the firm conviction that she was not afraid of him when I noticed in the police-documents that she had waited TWO MONTHS to file a complaint, evidently holding a grudge that whole time.
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      Talk about a grudge. Parnitzke still can't get over my removing him last year as a moderator at WhiteBiocentrism.com forum for insubordination, the same grounds for which I fired Garland Corse. That's how I deal with incorrigible insubordinate troublemakers.

      That Charleston Gazette article was taken from the SPLC's report, based on Corse's statements to SPLC's Heidi Beirich. Fact!

      Yes, the court will sort it out. Corse has not done well with her claims against me so far. Her request for "protection" from me was denied outright, then her appeal of that adverse decision to WV District Court was dismissed. The hearings for 26 January have been postponed due to the Winter storm. She won't do any better when we finally meet again for those. Everyone around the Pocahontas County courthouse now says, "that woman is bat shit crazy."

      I was there, Hadding. I do know what happened. Parnitzke, like you, does not know what has happened and has added nothing substantive to the dialogue here. He should be sent back to VNN forum where he and other brave anonymous critics are encouraged by the owner Linder to attack both me and you freely.

      What I did wrong was to ever trust the likes of unstable individuals Paul Parnitzke and Garland Corse.

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  5. Greetings to all and compliments to you Hadding for once again exposing the light of truth to yet another series of dark malicious rumours.

    I have copied and endorsed your enlightening article to the Church of Creativity website at http://creativityalliance.com/setting-the-record-straight-about-will-williams And I agree whole-heartedly with Reverend Dr Will: People who want to trot out Klassen's version of Will's employment with him and of his marriage, then your "About Williams" should be presented as balance.

    Good work brother and good luck Will.

    Reverend Cailen Cambeul, P.M.E.

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    1. Thank you, Rev. Cambeul. Hadding actually talked to both of my first wives about "published reports that I'd horribly abused" them. Hadding sets the record straight. That is what he does. Hadding does not lie. Garland Corse lies through her tobacco-stained teeth. That is what she does. She even stupidly puts her lies in writing to the court. Nobody who counts believes a word she says anymore.

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    3. I have seen all that stuff from Stormfront. The court will sort it out.

      By the way PP, using initials all the time as you do implies an assumption that everyone is as immersed in this teapot-tempest as you, and most of us are not. I see "RD" and I think Ron Doggett.

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    4. You know what really strikes me about you, Paul Parnitzke, and some of the other people involved in this mess?

      It's the utter lack of loyalty to any ideal. Let's assume that somebody had a bad experience with Will Williams: that's still no reason to go selling confidential information to the SPLC. It's not a reason to call the police either, if no permanent harm was done. That's putting personal spitefulness above everything else.

      I've had my toes stepped on at times by other people in the cause -- even quite recently -- and my tendency has always been to try not to make it into a bigger problem than it has to be. Why? Because the cause matters to me more than getting personal revenge for some momentary irritation.

      These people that you're defending and championing are self-indulgent babies, and I think you are one too.

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    7. I saw all that kibbitzing on Stormfront before it was deleted. The thing is, people distort, people exaggerate, and sometimes people even lie. It's all just gossip, so far as I'm concerned. So that's why I say that the court will sort it out.

      Now, again, I do not assert that Will Williams did nothing wrong in this situation.

      However: from what I know of Will Williams he has had the best intentions in trying to get the National Alliance going again. It has not been about his ego. It was certainly not the case that he was hellbent on being the Chairman of the NA, like some other people. It was about the fact that the NA and what it represents are important to him.

      I cannot say this about some of the others involved, who have put petty personal concerns above everything else. It is really shocking to me that people don't recognize that there is something wrong with that.

      You, for example, seem to be perfectly okay with selling confidential information to the SPLC and making a public controversy over an in-house quarrel that could have been resolved by saying goodbye. These are the kinds of people that you support and defend.

      Really you should shut up before you dig yourself in any deeper.

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  8. PP:

    On your very first comment here, you said this: "The pattern of abuse was recent from RD being fired with "butt hurt" to the censorship and banning of honest critics of it...."

    So, with the first sentence of your first comment here you make excuses for selling confidential information to the SPLC.

    I am not involved in any of this shit, but as I already said, a bad experience with Will Williams is not a justification for selling confidential information to the SPLC. When you argue that way, one gets the impression that you might do the same thing.

    If you said that Will was not vetting people adequately or that he has trusted some people more than he should, I think you might have a point. If you said that he was not managing people well, I have no idea.

    You've been dragging me into matters that I don't even want to discuss because I WAS NOT THERE AND I DO NOT KNOW. But I know that nobody was compelled by Will Williams to sell anything to the SPLC, and I know that anybody who waits two months to file a complaint with the police really did not have to do that.

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  10. Paul Parnitzke has been trying to badger me here about some obligation to present "the Whole Truth," meaning Paul Parnitzke's other accusations against Will Williams that have absolutely nothing to do with what I have written here. Parnitzke is obviously afraid that if people find out that some accusations against Will Williams were false, they will doubt others as well.

    It is as if one were to correct some smear against Adolf Hitler, only to be told that it is not permissible to do that unless one also gives "balance" by affirming that the Holocaust happened so that people won't get the idea that maybe Hitler wasn't such a monster after all.

    I do not believe that I have any such obligation.

    I wrote "About Will Williams" because lying bothers me. I know that Will Williams did not physically abuse Lucinda and that he did not physically abuse Albina. I know this from talking to these women. I also know from observation that Will Williams gets along well with his current wife. What I wrote here is my own firsthand knowledge.

    I am not interested in some hearsay accusations from a guy who is permanently butthurt and seeking revenge over losing a position as a forum-moderator.

    Get your mind on something else.

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    1. PP, you're boring. You have an unhealthy obsession, and apparently nothing constructive to do with your life.

      For gods' sakes, get a hobby.

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  12. Haddingsays: I wrote "About Will Williams" because lying bothers me. I know that Will Williams did not physically abuse Lucinda and that he did not physically abuse Albina. I know this from talking to these women. I also know from observation that Will Williams gets along well with his current wife. What I wrote here is my own firsthand knowledge.

    I am not interested in some hearsay accusations from a guy who is permanently butthurt and seeking revenge over losing a position as a forum-moderator.

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    The first paragraph above sums up your piece in a nutshell. The second one expresses exactly what I warned you would happen if you allowed the ultraobsessive, "butthurt" PP to comment. Good to see you did some housecleaning.

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    1. I would not have begrudged presentation of an opposing view on what I wrote here, but that's not at all what he was doing. He's more like somebody in an audience that makes a lot of noise to try to keep a speaker from being heard. He was clearly abusing my patience.

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